Vegas Pro or Magix Video Pro X?

laurent-doldi wrote on 3/11/2017, 2:44 PM

Hi,

Which tool is best to create 3D stereoscopic slideshows (to generate an MVC file 2 X 1920X1080, frame sequential)? Vegas Pro or Magix Video Pro X?

It seems that the 3D (stereoscopic) transitions are better in Magix Video Pro X.

Which tool has the lower number of bugs? (crashes etc.)

Thank you,

Laurent.

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Cornico wrote on 3/11/2017, 3:17 PM

Both have a trial of 30 days, so you can explore it yourself.

laurent-doldi wrote on 3/11/2017, 4:01 PM

I have both them installed, but the trials versions do not allow to export MVC file 2 X 1920X1080, frame sequential.

Also I am a beginner in video editing, so I would like to have the opinion of experienced users before spending 399€ or more.

Red Prince wrote on 3/11/2017, 4:31 PM

I would like to have the opinion of experienced users before spending 399€ or more.

This is the Vegas Pro forum. So, yes most of us here have years of experience with Vegas Pro. On the other hand, most of us probably never even heard of Magix before it bought Vegas Pro and, as such, most of us probably have very little, if any, experience with the other thing you have mentioned.

So, I seriously doubt you’re going to get an unbiased advice from us here.

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laurent-doldi wrote on 3/12/2017, 3:41 AM

At least if nobody here know Magix Video Pro X, users of Vegas Pro can tell me if they recommend it or not. Is the software crashing every hour or so, is the rendering using graphics card acceleration, etc.

Also if Magix has purchased Vegas, it means they will certainly "kill" it, so I would like to have the Magix roadmap before buying and learning a SW tool. Magix will not maintain similar products, it is too expensive.

Some years ago I worked for company A making software XA. Then company B (Telelogic, now IBM) making software XB (competitor of XA) purchased company A. 3 years later company B stopped software XA and fired the 150 people of company XA!

ushere wrote on 3/12/2017, 4:25 AM

unfortunately no one here knows, or is about to say what the road map is for vegas. it's been a bit of a bumpy ride for the last couple of years and with the takeover i doubt anyone can say where it's heading.

suffice to say, software comes and goes. you dive in, make your money / project / whatever and hope it's supported into the future.

ByronK wrote on 3/12/2017, 2:49 PM

One thing to keep in mind, Magix Video Pro X is more a direct competition to Vegas Studio.

Magix has a cap of I believe only 30 tracks. Vegas Studio is only 10 video and 10 audio, Vegas Studio Platinum is 20 video and 20 audio.

The number of video and audio tracks in Vegas Pro is only limited to what your PC can handle.

If you're looking at Magix Video Pro X, You may also want to take a look at Corel Video Studio. It comes with multicam capabilities, built in screen capture and many features. I believe they can support 20 video tracks and 8 audio.

The big fish - little fish paradigm is just the cycle of life for companies and software. And yes, there have been many softwares that I have personally loved that have been eaten chewed up and left to rot.

Cornico wrote on 3/12/2017, 3:23 PM

Studio Platinum is 20 video and 20 audio.

That's no good information
Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14 has 200 video tracks

 

 

EricLNZ wrote on 3/12/2017, 7:28 PM

If both lines of editors sell well why wouldn't Magix keep both going. After all Corel have two going - Pinnacle and Video Studio (used to be ULead).

laurent-doldi wrote on 3/13/2017, 5:27 AM

If both lines of editors sell well why wouldn't Magix keep both going. After all Corel have two going - Pinnacle and Video Studio (used to be ULead).


Because maintaining software is extremely expensive. So companies do not like paying for two product lines doing similar things.

megabit wrote on 3/13/2017, 5:30 AM

FWIW, I did had Magix Video Pro X on 30-day trial; I couldn't do anything with it as the trial version is severely cramped. Wouldn't even load formats I could be interested in, not to mention resolutions :( And the reason for even downloading and installing it has been - yes, you guessed it: checking whether the timeline is accelerated with my 1080 GPU. But I couldn't assess it with stuff I normally do in my editing!

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laurent-doldi wrote on 3/13/2017, 5:35 AM

Thank you, Piotr. Same for me, the 3D MVC coder (the I need) cannot be used in the trial version.

Dexcon wrote on 3/13/2017, 5:57 AM

... if Magix has purchased Vegas, it means they will certainly "kill" it ...

You've really answered your own question.  Given that you don't see a future for Vegas Pro, then Magix Video Pro X is the only NLE left standing from your two choices.

For user opinions on Vegas Pro reliability/stability, a search of this forum over the past 6 months or so (since Vegas Pro 14 was released) will provide you with a wealth of user opinions and experiences.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/13/2017, 6:04 AM

Hi,

Which tool is best to create 3D stereoscopic slideshows (to generate an MVC file 2 X 1920X1080, frame sequential)? Vegas Pro or Magix Video Pro X?

It seems that the 3D (stereoscopic) transitions are better in Magix Video Pro X.

Which tool has the lower number of bugs? (crashes etc.)

Thank you,

Laurent.

When I tested Vegas Pro versus VPX for s3D reasons, I came to the conclusion that Vegas is more superior in terms of s3D. The keyframing was better, the autocroping after the stereoscopic adjustment were better. Overall, the s3D interface in Vegas Pro had a better logic in my eyes, compared to the tools of VPX (everything can be done in the s3D interface in Vegas, for VPX it was necessary to switch between menus).

My tests were some time ago, so I cannot assess how the number of crashes are in the today versions.

In terms of render quality - well, since I have not tested the latest version of VPX that is hard to assess too. My impresson at the time of testing was that render quality was quite similar. All the MVC encoder in the price class of both tools are limited in the data rate due to licence costs. So we should not expect that transitions are superior in terms of quality really.

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laurent-doldi wrote on 3/13/2017, 6:08 AM

Thank you Wolfgang.

john-brown wrote on 3/13/2017, 10:31 AM

Hi,

I don't have Vegas; I use VPX. I have only tried out the 3D tools once, so I can't comment on how well it works. I did watch some stunning 3D videos done by one user of VPX.

Magix has a 30-day money back policy, so after a short trial, you can buy the product, try out all of the features, and if you don't like it, Magix will refund your money. Been there, done that, no problem. The Activation code will be deactivated.

@Wolfgang S. - It would be interesting to know which versions of Vegas and VPX that you used. The current version of VPX is 8.

As this is not really the place, I will start a thread showing the features of the Movie Edit Pro and VPX products. There seems to be a lot of misinformation and misconception about these products.

@ByronK

Only 30 track cap in MEP/VPX? Fake news. Please, the features of MEP and VPX are easy to verify on the Magix.com site.

John

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laurent-doldi wrote on 3/13/2017, 11:06 AM

Good idea to buy Magix Video Pro to test features locked in the trial version and if not OK being refunded.

Thank you John.

john-brown wrote on 3/13/2017, 11:37 AM

@laurent-doldi

Try both products. Take note of my other post about the features and in particular the difference in the way that tracks are handled. In VPX, track 1 is the bottom of the pile, whereas in Vegas it is on the top.

Make your choice based on the features that you need overall, ease of working, user-friendliness (if that is possible in an nle) and stability. Unfortunately, it takes a lot of time and effort to find everything, so give each product a good shot. Ask questions if you can't find certain features in one program that you have in the other. Post on the Magix.info forum for VPX and here for Vegas.

In VPX, make sure that you download the extra content under Help, Install extra content, after activating.

As far as work flow goes, each user likes what he is used to. Once you get familiar with a certain way of working, it is usually always the "best." I came from Pinnacle Studio several years ago to MEP when it looked like Avid was throwing in the towel and the future of Pinnacle looked bleak. I still kept it up even after Corel took over and I'm at version 18.6. I had trouble at first understanding MEP because the workflow was quite different. I kept looking for things like the Editor screen in Pinnacle. No such thing in MEP - you almost always stay on the timeline. MEP was much simpler and straight forward to use.....once I got used to it.

Good luck,

John

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bitman wrote on 3/13/2017, 2:13 PM

I have both products MEP and VPX (and Vegas pro 13 and 14) and all versions of Corel VS ultimate (and even pinnacle and cyberlink power director). I did not like pinnacle, and powerdirector crashed to much. The reason for (still) following/upgrading Corel video Studio is purely nostalgic as I started with editing with this NLE long time ago, and know it quite well. It still in my eyes the best value for money (the ultimate upgrade versions). But back to the subject, Vegas or VPX... John brown has made a good comparison. At a certain moment in time I wanted to do more with NLE and started with Vegas 13, but did not had much time to learn/use it, then I got worried that Vegas was end of life, I was surprised that magix bought it, I never tried magix NLE before, so I did a trial with MEP, bought it and even upgraded to VPX. I liked it a lot (in the beginning at least). But then came Vegas 14, at that time I had more and more issues with VPX: I submitted bug reports with the many crashes, some were solved with VPX updates, some are not yet solved, and some new ones were introduced (even with standard provided FX's). But above all what annoyed me to the max is that my extensive new blue OFX plug-in library was not supported by VPX although they claim OFX support (and have some in house provided newblue plugins that do work) I also contacted newblue and they say magix was not on their supported NLE list. Some newblue plugins did work albeit not officially supported, but could not render without the watermark (although I bought them). On top of it the key framing is sub par. Picture in picture effects has masking issues. Magix VPX crashes often on my system, Vegas pro 14 not. You cannot change the order of video effects on the fly, going back to check/change old applied effects is tedious. Also nested projects cannot handle 5.1 sound. Rendering times on VPX are horrendous slow if you disable your processor GPU in bios (as I have a very powerful gaming video card I originally disabled video GPU in my intel processor via the motherboard bios). 

I suspect all my issues got worse since they upgraded/improved their internal color system to more bits.  Also the fact that their response time on reporting issues is sub par. What I also do not like  (and many magix users) is the fact that they seem to focus on improving and fixing the consumer level product MEP before the pro VPX. You can guess by now which NLE has my preference: Vegas pro. Especially now since I learned how to use it intensively the last few months. Here some additional pro and cons:

VPX has better templates, some cool instant effects, the UI look is more modern, you can color events on the timeline, copy selectively video effects to another event (this would be great idea for Vegas), did I mention I was impressed with it at first?

Vegas just seems more stable, has more (and stable) 3th party OFX support, better key framing system, working with effects is more user friendly and efficiant, it has a great  (and bigger in numbers English) forum community, more how to video's, can run multiple copies simultaneously. You can change the order of effects. Did I mention I like Vegas better now?

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laurent-doldi wrote on 3/13/2017, 3:39 PM

Thank you, bitman, that's exactly what I feared ;-)

In the Vegas documentation I read : (translated from French)

"The renderings created with a Sony AVC/MVC personalised model generate a unique AVC/H.264 file with ... indicating stereo 3D: video format: stereoscopic 3D AVC Mode: side by side (half)" !

so it seems that Vegas Pro (as opposed to Magix Video Pro X) cannot generate an MVC encoded file containing stereo 3D 2X1920X1080 frame sequential at 24i/s (like for a blu-ray).

This is the only way not to lose resolution in 3D, to connect a 3D DLP HD1080 videoprojector to my PC reading the file with Stereoscopic Player.

Laurent.