New Canon 5D Mark IV camera files - limit on how many will open?

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 7:43 AM

I need a simple software to convert it. Not a MSDOS software. You know what I mean.

Second thing. EOS Movie Utility also will NOT work in merging clips. Because it can merge clips if they were only recorded whole (and Canon cut them). I can't merge files when I was doing a "start-stop, start-stop recording for myself).

So method with mergins in EOS Utility doesn't work.
Transcodeing withe GoPro Studio doesn't work.
I can''t use ffmpeg software because it is too complicated for my.

What different transcode Can I use? And to what format?

(of course, it should work in Vegas from the beginning... Don't forget)

Marco. wrote on 2/14/2019, 7:53 AM

I'm sure others will suggest some other transcoding software. FFmpeg isn't complicated at all but one of the straightest and simplest encoder available, assumed you've got a ready made batch file to use (and of course FFmpeg is installed on your system).

I use the following batch file (copy and paste that code into an editor and save as "AVC Encoder.bat") and it means I can simply drag and drop video files (even many at once) onto that batch file and FFmpeg will automatically transcode them into the same folder with a "_new" appendix.

@echo off
:next
if "%~1"=="" goto done
ffmpeg.exe -i "%~1" -c:v libx264 -preset medium -crf 20 -c:a aac -b:a 320k "%~1_new.mp4"
shift
goto next
:done
exit

OldSmoke wrote on 2/14/2019, 7:57 AM

I need a simple software to convert it. Not a MSDOS software. You know what I mean.

Second thing. EOS Movie Utility also will NOT work in merging clips. Because it can merge clips if they were only recorded whole (and Canon cut them). I can't merge files when I was doing a "start-stop, start-stop recording for myself).

So method with mergins in EOS Utility doesn't work.
Transcodeing withe GoPro Studio doesn't work.
I can''t use ffmpeg software because it is too complicated for my.

What different transcode Can I use? And to what format?

(of course, it should work in Vegas from the beginning... Don't forget)

Have tried Sony’s free Catalyst Browse software? If it can read the file I would transcode it to XAVC-I.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 8:33 AM

I need a simple software to convert it. Not a MSDOS software. You know what I mean.

Second thing. EOS Movie Utility also will NOT work in merging clips. Because it can merge clips if they were only recorded whole (and Canon cut them). I can't merge files when I was doing a "start-stop, start-stop recording for myself).

So method with mergins in EOS Utility doesn't work.
Transcodeing withe GoPro Studio doesn't work.
I can''t use ffmpeg software because it is too complicated for my.

What different transcode Can I use? And to what format?

(of course, it should work in Vegas from the beginning... Don't forget)

Have tried Sony’s free Catalyst Browse software? If it can read the file I would transcode it to XAVC-I.

That doesn't work: http://prntscr.com/ml2o5a

I am disappointed. One of the greeat, common, well-know camera like CANON 5D MARK IV is not supperted by any different comapnys then Adobe? Trobule here, trouble that, trouble everywhere beyond Adobe software

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 8:50 AM

I'm sure others will suggest some other transcoding software. FFmpeg isn't complicated at all but one of the straightest and simplest encoder available, assumed you've got a ready made batch file to use (and of course FFmpeg is installed on your system).

I use the following batch file (copy and paste that code into an editor and save as "AVC Encoder.bat") and it means I can simply drag and drop video files (even many at once) onto that batch file and FFmpeg will automatically transcode them into the same folder with a "_new" appendix.
@echo off
:next
if "%~1"=="" goto done
ffmpeg.exe -i "%~1" -c:v libx264 -preset medium -crf 20 -c:a aac -b:a 320k "%~1_new.mp4"
shift
goto next
:done
exit

Firstly, I had to install that in alsov ery specific way... But that tutorial helped me a lot:

Secondly, I use your code, conversion was succesful. But after transcode and import clips to Vegas I got this:

http://prntscr.com/ml2xuz <----- just look on it|
(work in Vegas 15, doesn't work in Vegas 13)

So...
Catalyst Sony Browser doesn't work
ffmpeg doesn't work

Absolutely noting does work.

Former user wrote on 2/14/2019, 8:53 AM

"If I use ffmpeg to convert to mp4 by simply muxing both streams VP won’t load one clip, reports clip as corrupt"

MP4 is no valid wrapper for Photo-JPEG encoded files.

Ok Marco, didn’t know that.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 8:55 AM

ALso... why you suggest bitrate 320 if my Canon has a 500?

Here is a SAMPLE 4K file from my Canon 5D Mark IV if anyone want to test it by yourself. Weight: only 60 MB.
You can download it and duplicate more then 41 times and see if Vegas can ahndle it.

https://mega.nz/#!dtVGDISJ!vu17pICJkBPYB9zhQ1G4ewODCqmBMXPCxusuAsnUbJ8 <----------

Marco. wrote on 2/14/2019, 9:13 AM

"why you suggest bitrate 320 if my Canon has a 500?"

These are totally different codecs …

Former user wrote on 2/14/2019, 9:15 AM

Well, hardly necessary, re: downloading clip, unless there’s something off on your PC, my PC and my laptop. The 320 value is compressed, may well also be the max.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 9:21 AM

"why you suggest bitrate 320 if my Canon has a 500?"

These are totally different codecs …

Is the new transcoded file loseless?
I mean... Do I have worse quality of image if I transcode them to 320?

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 9:23 AM

Well, hardly necessary, re: downloading clip, unless there’s something off on your PC, my PC and my laptop.

I can't understand above sentence. What do want to say?

A value of 500 is also compressend in mjpeg, so?

Marco. wrote on 2/14/2019, 10:35 AM

Also, the 320 kbit/s is for the audio encoding, not video.

Yes, your Canon M-JPEG files are already compressed, and with an outdated and poor effective codec.

Eagle Six wrote on 2/14/2019, 11:13 AM

@--A I downloaded your test file and loaded it 120 times, nothing wrong!!

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 11:45 AM

Also, the 320 kbit/s is for the audio encoding, not video.

MediaInfo program said something different. They show me in Video section.

Original:
Video #0 : JPEG at 515 Mb/s
Aspect : 4096 x 2160 (1.896) at 29.970 fps

After conversion:
Video #0 : AVC at 42,8 Mb/s
Aspect : 4096 x 2160 (1.896) at 29.970 fps

Marco. wrote on 2/14/2019, 11:48 AM

MediaInfo says it's 320 kbit/s for audio. Video is constant qualitiy variable bit rate, the video bit rate will be different for each single video file.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 11:54 AM

@--A I downloaded your test file and loaded it 120 times, nothing wrong!!

IMPOSSIBLE. I can't do the same. I even try on VEGAS 16 TRIAL - a newest version and it still not work.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 11:56 AM

MediaInfo says it's 320 kbit/s for audio. Video is constant qualitiy variable bit rate, the video bit rate will be different for each single video file.

Is it any kind of lossless transcode by your method with ffmpeg?

Marco. wrote on 2/14/2019, 12:07 PM

No, but you could set the CRF value to something lower if the given quality does not yet satisfy (or even use a different codec).

Eagle Six wrote on 2/14/2019, 12:20 PM

@--A I downloaded your test file and loaded it 120 times, nothing wrong!!

IMPOSSIBLE. I can't do the same. I even try on VEGAS 16 TRIAL - a newest version and it still not work.

Just so you know, I did it twice. Vegas Pro 13 build 452, Quicktime ver 7.76.80.95. Quicktime versions will produce different results. It is not a limitation of Vegas, it is a limitation of the 5D codec used which requires 32 bit Quicktime in Windows. It is never going to get any better, Quicktime is dead in Windows and whatever is available now is all that will ever be, Apple does not support Windows.

If you want an easy conversion program you can try ER Media Tool Kit, and use the MediaER to convert with an mp4 container. Or, if you want really easy, use Vegas Pro 13 and convert 40 clips at a time using a script to render them in batch.

If you want to use the Canon 5D with 4K files in Vegas, you are going to get along with it better when you have selected whatever process you like the best, automated the best it can do, and transcode/convert the 5D files to something that works well. In the amount of time this conversation has been going on, I could have converted 500 clips and be editing in Vegas already. Just my thoughts. I'm sure you will get it worked out.

--A wrote on 2/14/2019, 1:21 PM

I have installed your version, excatly that number but now I can't import even 1 clip and get that message:
https://prnt.sc/ml6r22

How do you use your version and can import a files from Canon 5D Mark IV?
I have the same QuickTime version like you now. You can import my files but I STILL can't import my files?

HOW it is possible?

Eagle Six wrote on 2/14/2019, 1:47 PM

The messade you are getting is telling you that Quicktime is not installed, not installed properly, or perhaps you installed it while Movie Studio was running. Shutdown Movie Studio and start it again. If it still does not work, shutdown Movie Studio, uninstall Quicktime and install that version again.

Keep in mind, even if you get your Movie Studio to work as mine, sooner of later you are still going to run into a limitation of files using the Quicktime. At what point that may happen is unknown until you reach that point. If you never reach it, great you are a happy camper and can make movies, but if next week or several projects down the road you face the same type of limitation issue, transcoding/converting to either a uncompressed avi or an intermediate is going to provide you the best un-limited solution.

Former user wrote on 2/14/2019, 1:59 PM

@Eagle Six I see you tested using VP13, so I did likewise on my laptop and the results are similar to VP16, a little bit better. I hit a bar at about 40 clips for readability. Once I close and restart then worse, no preview. I’m using my own smaller, 12s clips for testing.

I wonder if its an Amd vs Nvidia issue? I’m not sure what gpu - -A is using. I’ve added VP13 + QT info. in my profile.

Eagle Six wrote on 2/14/2019, 2:13 PM

@Former user Could very well be the GPU. I have tried it with both SMS13 and MVMS16, both with GPU on and GPU off, same results, I can add 120x @--A test clip and it works fine without a proxy. For reference I'm using an AMD R9 390 8GB.

vkmast wrote on 2/14/2019, 2:23 PM

@Eagle Six did you have "Automatically create video proxies…" setting in Prefs. Video selected? I had success with that selected, VP 16, 45 files, QT old v. 7.6.9, Nvidia GTX 1050.